reel design and casting

Dear all -

Can anyone comment on the practical fishing differences between a reel design like the Daiwa 30 series (wide and narrow diameter) and a Daiwa 30T or a Torium 16 (both narrow, taller reels)?

I have to choose one only or my CFO will be filleting me.  It is going to be used for spinning with spoons and plugs and occasionally poppers, using 0.40mm line or a 0.3mm braid when I get brave.  Even more occationally, whipping out a bait. 

Thinking about it

• the wider spool has a narrower diameter, and would start quicker, run faster and generally seem a bit lighter.  Better suited to lighter lures, which is important. [/*]
• Becasue the spool diameter is less, it would spin faster, may not be the easiest to cast in all conditions - don't know.  [/*]
• The taller spool would be harder to start to spin, but once spinning, would stay spinning longer, possibly leading to a longer cast - don't know if this makes a practical difference at the light end of he casting weights. [/*]
• The wider spool would also be more prone to an uneven line load than the narrow, particularly if you are having to retrieve quickly.  That could be problems.  [/*]
• The wider spool would also be slower to retrieve as even at 6:1 only some 36" of line comes in per handle crank.   Cast out a lot of it and that speed will drop quite a bit and the lure may not get the hits with a slow flopping around. [/*]

And that is as far as my thinking about it gets me.   Any comments welcomed. 

 

 

I've worked this out - if anyone interested the following:

The smaller and lighter the reel spool the better it will cast.  That is why you find the Abu 6500's etc in casting competions - it is the smallest spool that can hold 300m of .32 line - or whate3ver it is that the competion gents use.

The larger diameter of a Saltist 30T, or the Tor 16 vs a normal Saltist 30 adds another issue.  The spool's starting inertia is a lot higher in the tall spool.  This means a couple of things:

• you need either more weight to start it, or more force generated from your casting technique.  [/*]
• once started, it spins slower, with less effect from the centrifigal casting control and more required from your thumbs[/*]

So - if you are casting a variety of weights at the ligher end of the spectrum (say 30 grams to 80 grams) then go with the 30.  If you are casting heavier than that, go with the 30T size, or Tor 16.

 

 

well ask yourself this question...

 

do you want to cast? or do you want to catch a fish?

tintin1 wrote:

I've worked this out - if anyone interested the following:

The smaller and lighter the reel spool the better it will cast.  That is why you find the Abu 6500's etc in casting competions - it is the smallest spool that can hold 300m of .32 line - or whate3ver it is that the competion gents use.

The larger diameter of a Saltist 30T, or the Tor 16 vs a normal Saltist 30 adds another issue.  The spool's starting inertia is a lot higher in the tall spool.  This means a couple of things:

• you need either more weight to start it, or more force generated from your casting technique.  [/*]
• once started, it spins slower, with less effect from the centrifigal casting control and more required from your thumbs

So - if you are casting a variety of weights at the ligher end of the spectrum (say 30 grams to 80 grams) then go with the 30.  If you are casting heavier than that, go with the 30T size, or Tor 16.  

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Tintin

You seem to have worked it out nicely,just to throw another spanner into your works,I note that you havent considered the Torium14.It would probably suit the lighter applications best as per your conclusion,yet it has loads of cranking power for even heavier plugs and spoons.Contrary to other Toriums it also sports centrifugals,which could aid in casting the lights.

For your info: http://www.cabelas.com/p-0022062317062a.shtml

p.s. One of the reasons why the Abu's have very light spools,is because the axle/spindle is seperate from the spool,and does the spool run on two bearings located inside the spool(not part of it),which in turn runs on the spindle.(seperate items),Effectively decreasing the weight of the spool and maximising start-up speed.

The older model Abu's(1970's) had their spindles attached to the spools,as with most reels today,.The concept was "adopted" by Daiwa in their "speed-shaft" models,but the difference is that the spindle is still part of the spool,and only a small section of it,(known as the pinion-shaft),detatched from the spindle when in casting mode..

Cheers

Thanks for the notes - I have thought about the Tor 14 and I like the way it feels.  But line capacity is an issue for what I want to use the thing for.  The Saltist 30 gives about 270m of a 30 lb braid, and close to 200m of 0.40 on top of that.  Which is comforting.

I get to go away to some cosmic fishing evey year where we do catch quite big fish from the rocks.  The best capture by my group so far is a cobia of 33kg, and there have been several 20kg tuna and quite a few spanish macks in the 15 to 25kg range.  These boys can run a long way.  Often taken by sharks, but heavy tackle not the entire answer there either.  

Anyhoo - it' s good fun and I started putting together a light setup because the heavy tackle I usually use was working me too hard.  3 or 4 hours spinning with a 150g lure in 34 to 36 degree heat and I was not fishing as I should anymore.  I am also looking for more distance because it can really matter a lot.

Thorougly enjoying the Exage 110H and Saltist 30 combo - cannot wait for this year's trip.

 

 

Off to Western Australia then I take it,one of a few destination-resolutions that I have,enjoy.