Casting a HMG rod vs normal Graphite rod

hi

does one get more distance with a hmg if used correctly and can sumone confirm by how much. I no alot of guys use these rods so could u give me pro's and cons etc. i only target edibles so i was wondering why would guys ( who target edibles) upgrade to this? i can understand if u targetting non-eds eg more pulling power etc.

any info greatly appreciated!

elf 786

Hi Elf. A HMG rod is much stiffer than normal graphite. Most of the flex is in the tip, meaning you have more pulling power in the base. As a result I feel more in control of the cast and because of this it feels like I get more distance...but I haven't measured this. HMG is also alot more sensitive...so you feel every movement of your bait.

hi elf,

in my own experience....

CASTING STATS: (Proper reading against wind)

Shimano exage 1468 + Torium 20 + 7oz             -  175+ meter
Assassin Medium surf HMG + Torium 20 + 6oz     -  165+ meter


EDIBLES:
As you can see from the stats above I get more or less the same distance on both rods.  However the HMG is much lighter and abit stiffer.  The overall feel of the HMG is much better when handling a fish.  I must admit I LOVE MY EXAGE......but the HMG just have that edge....

then again the normal rod i can take to rocky areas no problem....but with the hmg i need to e carefull.

NON-EDIBLES:

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY!!! HMG ALL THE WAY !!!!

thanks guys....

I have "up"graded to light or ultralight HMG rods, Assasin and Poseidon, what a pleasure.

Big difference when fishing in the wind, HMG's are 1/2 width, less wind resistance, easier to maneuver in windy conditions without compromising power.

Because they are lighter, I can fish for longer, spend more time with the rod in my hands. More fish are caught with the rod in your hands, rather than in a pipe on the beach.

Ray Hall wrote:

hi elf,

in my own experience....

CASTING STATS: (Proper reading against wind)

Shimano exage 1468 + Torium 20 + 7oz             -  175+ meter
Assassin Medium surf HMG + Torium 20 + 6oz     -  165+ meter


EDIBLES:
As you can see from the stats above I get more or less the same distance on both rods.  However the HMG is much lighter and abit stiffer.  The overall feel of the HMG is much better when handling a fish.  I must admit I LOVE MY EXAGE......but the HMG just have that edge....

then again the normal rod i can take to rocky areas no problem....but with the hmg i need to e carefull.

NON-EDIBLES:

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY!!! HMG ALL THE WAY !!!!

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Ray have you actually measured you cast, I'm not being funny now but you often hear guys speaking of casts up to 200 meters. I thaught i was casting my HMG about 120 meters and when measured with a measuring wheel it was only 106.

 

brendon muscat wrote:

Ray Hall wrote:

hi elf,

in my own experience....

CASTING STATS: (Proper reading against wind)

Shimano exage 1468 + Torium 20 + 7oz             -  175+ meter
Assassin Medium surf HMG + Torium 20 + 6oz     -  165+ meter


EDIBLES:
As you can see from the stats above I get more or less the same distance on both rods.  However the HMG is much lighter and abit stiffer.  The overall feel of the HMG is much better when handling a fish.  I must admit I LOVE MY EXAGE......but the HMG just have that edge....

then again the normal rod i can take to rocky areas no problem....but with the hmg i need to e carefull.

NON-EDIBLES:

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY!!! HMG ALL THE WAY !!!!

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Ray have you actually measured you cast, I'm not being funny now but you often hear guys speaking of casts up to 200 meters. I thaught i was casting my HMG about 120 meters and when measured with a measuring wheel it was only 106.

 

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you are more than welcome to come watch....

Sorry to bring up this old thread, but I have a related query.

What are the 2 most important rod factors with respect to casting?


I would assume
1. ability/ease of loading the rod
2. tip speed ( rate at which rod unloads towards direction of cast)

Given 2 similar rated rods, say a 6oz, I would expect a std graphite rod to load more than an HMG and would expect an HMG to unload faster than a std.

Now, my question is:

All else the same (reel, line, sinker casting ability, technique, power of cast etc..) will the 2 rods provide the same distance? Will the extra distance gained by the greater loading of the std graphite rod be off set by the greater tip speed of the HMG rod.

Which is more important, tip speed to ease of loading?

Spotted Grunter wrote:

Sorry to bring up this old thread, but I have a related query.

What are the 2 most important rod factors with respect to casting?


I would assume
1. ability/ease of loading the rod
2. tip speed ( rate at which rod unloads towards direction of cast)

Given 2 similar rated rods, say a 6oz, I would expect a std graphite rod to load more than an HMG and would expect an HMG to unload faster than a std.

Now, my question is:

All else the same (reel, line, sinker casting ability, technique, power of cast etc..) will the 2 rods provide the same distance? Will the extra distance gained by the greater loading of the std graphite rod be off set by the greater tip speed of the HMG rod.

Which is more important, tip speed to ease of loading?

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It certainly take a shorter time for the HMG to load than the normal graphite and its easier to load the normal graphite.

You will always find some contadicting statements with in this regard because of the following fact. Some anglers whether they know it or knot cast better with a stiffer rod like a HMG and others beter with a more flexiable rod like the normal Graphite

I for one cast better with the more flexible type rods. I Have Assassins in both the normal Graphite and the HMG, Medium rods and Heavy rods. I reach better distances with the normal Grahite ones than with the HMG ones.

Yes the HMG is more sensitive to feeling a bite (Medium Assassin targeting edibles) but when I am casting 130m + the bite feeling is reduced anyway because of the distance and line drag in the water, so its not that important to me, getting the fish-on with a pull on that far bank is!

 

And contradicting it shall remain, here's some more food for thought.In casting the ultimate deciding factor as to what distance you will cast is in the speed of the lead/sinker.The speed the sinker is moving at, in the arc that the angler, using the rod as an extended lever can generate.Let us take the material of the rod out of the equation,for purposes of illustration,just so it does not turn into HMG,HMC,regular graphite debate.

A stiff rod will not bend as much as a softer rod during the arc,and thus the sinker will move in a wider arc.The stiffer rod however can only be moved in this arc at x-speed.So because the sinker is moving in a bigger arc the sinker reaches,let say 220km/h hypothetically speaking.

A softer rod will obviously bend more during a cast with the same sinker,making this arc smaller,but,and this is the big but, because the lever/rod is effectively shorter due to the bend,it can be moved around faster,call it y-speed,allowing the sinker to reach the same hypothetical 220km/h.So in short there is no real reason for a stiffer rod to outcast a softer rod of the same sinker-weight rating,and vice versa.

It may just need a small adjustment in your casting-style/speed.

 

kitefisher wrote:

A stiff rod will not bend as much as a softer rod during the arc,and thus the sinker will move in a wider arc.The stiffer rod however can only be moved in this arc at x-speed.So because the sinker is moving in a bigger arc the sinker reaches,let say 220km/h hypothetically speaking.

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Interesting, interesting indeed.

I for 1 don't want to be in the firering line, when a leader/sinker line snaps at that speed. Ouch!! :fbash

Spotted Grunter

It is an assumed speed,however,bear in mind that the maximum speed that a sinker travels is at the point of release when it leaves the rod tip.The energy is then transfered and momentum then takes it forward.Sometimes ,especially on smaller reels it sounds like the spool is picking up speed towards the end of cast,that is only due to the decrease in size of the spool diameter as line gets peeled off it.It then needs more revolutions to supply the travelling lead with enough line.

Sorry,double post.

Ray Hall wrote:

brendon muscat wrote:

Ray Hall wrote:

hi elf,

in my own experience....

CASTING STATS: (Proper reading against wind)

Shimano exage 1468 + Torium 20 + 7oz             -  175+ meter
Assassin Medium surf HMG + Torium 20 + 6oz     -  165+ meter


EDIBLES:
As you can see from the stats above I get more or less the same distance on both rods.  However the HMG is much lighter and abit stiffer.  The overall feel of the HMG is much better when handling a fish.  I must admit I LOVE MY EXAGE......but the HMG just have that edge....

then again the normal rod i can take to rocky areas no problem....but with the hmg i need to e carefull.

NON-EDIBLES:

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY!!! HMG ALL THE WAY !!!!

Click to expand...

Ray have you actually measured you cast, I'm not being funny now but you often hear guys speaking of casts up to 200 meters. I thaught i was casting my HMG about 120 meters and when measured with a measuring wheel it was only 106.

 

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you are more than welcome to come watch....

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@Brendon,

I have seen Ray cast, he has worked hard on his casting technique and I will vouch for the fact that he can achieve those distances.