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 Posted: Thu Feb 19th, 2009 12:30 pm
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 Posted: Thu Feb 19th, 2009 04:11 pm
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 Posted: Thu Feb 19th, 2009 06:35 pm
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Yep-a big thank you there Empz,for sharing that!

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no sense in this casting as it def make a diff with weight / leaders / bait on the hook sorry if i sound sour or misrable but a fact is a fact

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no sense in this casting as it def make a diff with weight / leaders / bait on the hook sorry if i sound sour or misrable but a fact is a fact

Yes I have found it quite a challenge.
Yet am practising when I have the time.

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This is all very well but how often can you leave your sinker lying on the ground before you cast? I got this far with the great Ivan Stopforth but once you have to swing the sinker into the loading position its a whole new ballgame.

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no sense in this casting as it def make a diff with weight / leaders / bait on the hook sorry if i sound sour or misrable but a fact is a fact

The cast is very useful if you are using rigs that are 2/3 rod length. Like those 5hook pasternoster rig. That is one advantage alot of people fail to realise. Other then fishing, the last I heard was someone in RSA did 270m or more using this method in the 80s. It is extremely good with parabolic rods and due to the position the sinker is placed, allows you to cast a rod that is overly stiff and heavy. There's always a different type of cast formulated to compliment certain rod/rigs.

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Alfred his point is valid for when casting of the small pebble rock sections but is invalid when casting of the beach.

The same cast but just Aerialised is the cast 90% of us use in South Africa for fishing. Not quite the 270degree rotation shown in the demo but more a 200-23- degree.

We swing back as in the very first demo and instead of laying the weight out on the ground let it pull out full length and as you feel the lead begin loading on the tip swing into it and complete the cast as John Demonstrate.

This way we do the South African cast without placing the weight or rig on the ground.

One small difference and yet the same and this is what we refer to as the SA cast.

All of our over 200m casters in casting Tournament use pendulum or X cast actions for casting but they are maybe 20 participants in total.

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 Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2014 01:41 pm
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If a person master the SA pendulum, SA groundcast. Which cast do you think will go further?

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 Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2014 07:22 pm
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Off a beach very close call.

Off of rocks the Half Pendulum.

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 Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2014 01:38 am
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Off a beach very close call.

Off of rocks the Half Pendulum.


You are absolutely right for same drop of half rod length. No matter how much I practice on both, I get the same distance. I do not know if it is normal or not. But things start to change when the sinker is 90deg to rod tip and longer drop to do it very fast. I cannot swing a sa pendulum 2/3 drop length parallel to ground.

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 Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2014 09:18 pm
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Alfred we seldom if ever cast off the ground.

As I mentioned many anglers will wade to at least knee and waist deep and often they will wade through a neck deep trough to cast in waist deep water off of a Sandbank or reef out in the water.

Using the SA cast with a drop of 1.8-2.5m is completely possible in waist deep water.

Then fishing from the rocks and or beach we clip our bait's, especially bulky baits like a half a sardine with squid so that the set-up is more aerodynamic and will fly better.

The clipping method we use will see the rig separating every time the line is placed on the ground so the aerialised version of the cast is much more convenient.

In fact if you cam fishing here for 3 months at all venues along our coast I can almost guarantee you will not see a single cast made off the ground and definitely not a single Pendulum cast.

It'll be an overhead thump or the SA cast and nothing else.

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Alfred we seldom if ever cast off the ground.

As I mentioned many anglers will wade to at least knee and waist deep and often they will wade through a neck deep trough to cast in waist deep water off of a Sandbank or reef out in the water.

Using the SA cast with a drop of 1.8-2.5m is completely possible in waist deep water.

Then fishing from the rocks and or beach we clip our bait's, especially bulky baits like a half a sardine with squid so that the set-up is more aerodynamic and will fly better.

The clipping method we use will see the rig separating every time the line is placed on the ground so the aerialised version of the cast is much more convenient.

In fact if you cam fishing here for 3 months at all venues along our coast I can almost guarantee you will not see a single cast made off the ground and definitely not a single Pendulum cast.

It'll be an overhead thump or the SA cast and nothing else.

Hi, it is precisely that I intend to fish there for 3 months that I have done research and deliberately stand knee depth to cast a 14ft r0d. The problem I faced was clip opening due to slack line in the swing (due to poor footing) and unable to take a step in the water to powercast (due to the vicosity of moving lower body in water).
So I went around asking, 2months back I got a good suggestion. To cast without taking a step. It is still on experimental stage as not many people can cast a 270degree arc without taking a step. I can show some video if you are interested.

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We employ this cast off of Rocks and waste deep in the water.

As you have seen in water it is almost impossible to step into the cast and on uneven ground, ie rocks it is absolutely impossible.

To overcome this we coil up and make use of a 180 degree rotation thereby alleviating the need to step into the cast.

The weight/baited rif is however swung out at 60-90 degrees from the tip of the rod, as the rig pulls into the tip you begin the rotation.

The coiled body drives into the cast, Thigh and butt muscles, into core muscles followed by shoulder then only the arms to give direction and the final pus and pull into the release. This way with your Abu and 12lbs you will put that rig over 150m from where you are standing in the water.

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